How Do Some Countries Allow Losing Boxers to Continue Boxing?
By: Ken Hissner
I have a 100 Club list of boxers with over 100 losses and others who have never won a fight etc. The UK seems to be the one country that allows so many of these boxers to continue no matter what their records are today. Yet I will point out countries with even worse record boxers.
Peter Buckley finally retired with a 32-256-12 record second only to the US’s Reggie Strickland’s 66-276-17 with the most losses I am aware of. After those two still active are Kristian Laight at 12-253-8, Matt Seawright is 5-146-5, Ibar Riyaz 6-126-4, Ibar Rivas 34-121-4 an Albanian fighting out of the UK.
Then there is William Warburton 29-123-9 and Yousef Al Hamidi 14-112-3 with over 100 losses but still active. The UK retired Jason Nesbitt 10-195-4, Tiger Bert Ison 114-179-41, Arnold Sheppard 95-169-38, Delroy Spencer 14-156-3, Billy Smith 13-145-2, Ernie Smith 13-142-5, Karl Taylor 16-142-7, Brian Coleman 24-141-7, Seamus Casey 30-129-5, Sid Razak, 9-128, Carl Allen 19-114-7, Daniel Thorpe 23-113-3, Dean Bramhald 42-106-15, Tony Booth 52-105-9, Peter Dunn 12-105-4 and Paul Bonson 21-105-8 all with over 100 losses.Then boxers who have less than 100 losses are Matt Scriven 14-91-1, Bulgarian out of the UK who is 6-88-1, Dan Carr 3-85-2.
UK boxers who have never won a fight are Chris Gargano at 0-44, Paul O’Brien at 0-23, Scott Hillman 0-21, Harjinder Gill 0-17-1 and Bryn Wain 0-16. Would you believe a South African who fought out of the UK named Bheki Moyo retired with a 0-73-2 record? Kalman Vagyocki of Hungary is still active at 0-45 but “only” stopped 34 times. Still active without a win are Dionisio Rodriguez 0-42 from the DR and Marius Sorin 0-42-2 of Romania.
Seems the Dominican and Ghana are countries where boxers to beef up their records. The DR has active boxers in Alexis Castillo 0-35 whose been stopped 31 times, George Estevez 0-34 stopped 18 times and Miguel Tavarez 0-32 stopped 25 times.
Latvia has Dmitrijs Avsijenkovs with a “perfect” record of 0-29 and stopped 29 times and still active. The US “retired” Eric Crumble 0-31 and Ed Strickland 0-31 who were stopped in all of their bouts.
They allowed Jesse Clark to go 0-30 stopped 27 times. Two active US boxers who have never won a fight are Willie Miller 0-18-1 and Daniel Sanchez 0-18.
Names with poor records that stand out still active are Jose Amaral 1-69 of Brazil, Lajos Orsos 1-54-2 of Hungary, Milan Ruso 1-47 stopped 42 times of CZ, Ambriorix Ciriaco 1-44 of DR, Francisco Herrera 1-44-2 stopped 39 times of COL and Dionel Reynoso 1-41 of DR.
Heading the list with 2 wins was retired Cristian Nicolae 2-76 of ROM and right behind him is Anwar Alfadi of KU out of the UK at 2-68-5. Still active are Qasim Hussain 4-79-2 of UK and believe it or not has only been stopped once! Lam Griffiths is 5-74-1 of UK and Titusz Szabo 5-65-1 of Hungary.
Boxers still active with too many stoppages are a US boxer Terrance Roy 11-53 stopped 43 times but then there is a Turk Suleyman Dag 10-86 of Germany whose been stopped 60 times. Simmie Black of the US retired at 35-165-4 was “only” stopped 97 times. Marcus Rhode of the US 35-51-2 retired not long ago having been stopped 44 times. Still active is Roberto Valenzuela of MEX 69-75-2 stopped 40 times. Marvin Hart 14-40-1 of the US is still active having been stopped 37 times.
What are some of these commissions thinking? In Pennsylvania usually if a boxer has lost 7 in a row he is prevented from boxing there until he gets a win elsewhere. Jerry Strickland of the US was 13-122 and stopped 78 times before retiring.
I could go on and on and I know I have been told there are boxers in the US who get paid quite well to get a fighter a win on their record. They usually are on the defense and throw little in return to assure their opponent of a win. Maybe that is why many with horrible records have few stoppages being on the defense the entire fight.
More Boxing History
One Eye & a Bag of Tricks That Was Philly’s “Gypsy” Joe Harris
One Eye & a Bag of Tricks That Was Philly’s “Gypsy” Joe Harris
By: Ken Hissner
In the 60’s the baddest gym in Philadelphia was the 23rd PAL on Colombia Avenue. Such boxers as “Bad” Bennie Briscoe, “Cyclone” Hart, “Sugar” Hart, “Classy” Al Massey, Jimmy Young, “Boogaloo” Watts, “Smokin” Joe Frazier and the one-eyed “Gypsy” Joe Harris trained there.
“I came to the 23rd PAL from the 39th PAL and was one of the few boxers. The others there liked to go to war. One day in order to see whowas the baddest guy in the gym insteps none other than “Bad” Bennie Briscoe and “Gypsy” Joe Harris into the ring. There was no referee or trainers involved. It was only for about a one when police officer Duke Dugent who ran the gym with an iron hand jumped in the ring pulling the two of them apart! Duke yelled at the two and said NEVER AGAIN! You’ve heard of Philly Gym Wars?
This was best of the best,” said Al Massey.
Briscoe was the AAU 147 champion and had a jab coming up from the floor like a sledge hammer always coming forward. Harris on the other hand was as slippery as you could get using angles (due to the eye) with arms wrapped around himself and weaving around hard to hit.
“He don’t make plans because he don’t know what he going to do until he do it,” said Willie Reddish (trainer). Born in Camden, NJ, word is Harris was “bag snatching” on Halloween and got hit in the right eye with a brick! He was a jokester so when he took eye exams he joked and got by them.
I was there the night Harris was fighting “Irish” Bobby Cassidy, a southpaw, who was holding Harris with his right hand on Harris’ left shoulder and he still couldn’t hit him! He had a bald head and could slip punch after punch.
Harris’ biggest win was over then welterweight champion Curtis Cokes in a non-title fight at Madison Square Garden in New York City. He would be asked afterwards “where’s the party?” He replied “ain’t no party here man, I’m from Philly!”
Today Cokes would have been stripped of his title for he was “nowhere to be found” when Harris showed up in Dallas for the rematch this time for the title! There was no ring in the hotel lobby and Cokes was “out fishing” per the local newspaper with picture in a row boat! Harris would move up to middleweight never to get close to a title fight again.
Harris turned professional in November of 1964 in Worcester, MASS, stopping Fred Walker in 3 rounds. In 1965 he went 9-0. In 1966 he defeated C.L. Lewis over 6 rounds in a bout filled with bad blood between the two of them. In May of 1966 he took on fellow Philly fighter Johnny Knight, 14-4-1 improving to 13-0 with the last 12 fights all in Philadelphia.
In October of 1966 Harris took on fellow Philadelphian Stanley “Kitten” Hayward, 22-2-1, stopping him in 6 rounds though coming off the floor in the third round. Next up was Cuban Jose Stable, 27-8-2, defeating Sidney “Sweet Pea” Adams and C.L. Lewis in NY. Then he defeated Cokes, Philly’s Charley Scott and Hayward in NY before coming to Philly to defeat Dick Turner, 19-0-1. In 1965 he lost in a title fight to Emile Griffith before returning to Philly losing to Percy Manning. He would lose to Harris in 1966.
Harris would go onto stop Knight in a rematch in 1967. Then he had the non-title win over Cokes weighing 151 improving to 18-0 at MSG before returning to Philly weighing 160 defeating Teddy Wright, 46-15-10.He would return to Dallas in the co-feature to Cokes defending against France’s Francois Pavilla. Harris posted a win but was at 158 ½ while 3 months later down to 152 in a war against Miguel Barreto, 15-1, winning a close one. Then coming off the canvas in the ninth to defeat Cassidy and win a rematch with Barreto. In February of 1968 he beat Dick DiVeronica, 38-8, just 6 months to his career ending fight against former world champion Emile Griffith, 55-9 in Philly.
Just before the Griffith fight Harris would marry a bar maid in Atlantic City and disappear showing up at the 23rd PAL Gym. “I only had a week to get him back in shape for Griffith,” said Duke Dugent (ran the gym). He was up to 160 losing to Griffith over 12 rounds. His offense was not there but his defense was. His 24 bout win streak was stopped. This fight set an indoor attendance record in Philly.
Getting back into the ring with Manny Gonsalves was to be his comeback fight when it was finally discovered at the examination he had no sight in an eye. The charade and career for Harris was over. It was blamed on a gym war with C.L. Lewis who thumbed him and Harris hit him in return in the “family jewels!” With a blood filled eye it brought the attention of the physician.
This writer made an attempt to get Harris to either Puerto Rico or Canada where he would possibly be able to fight. I was with him at the 23rd PAL with Dugent and we went to his family doctor to get the records to prove he had been blind fighting for some time but the doctor was not there. I never saw Harris again and he never fought again! Harris was one of the most “colorful” boxers out of Philadelphia in their history! He was only 22 and lived another 22 years before dying from a heart ailment at age 44! He is still talked about in Philly gyms this day.