Two things happened around the Zuffa Boxing 11 broadcast on Saturday, and together they tell you more about where Fury vs. Joshua stands than anything either promoter has said all week.

First, during the broadcast, Max Kellerman addressed Dana White’s disputed role in the December 11 fight and described it far more narrowly than Thursday’s announcement did.

“Dana White’s involvement in the fight, so people know, is purely in assisting Turki Alalshikh, who has been the engine behind just about every big fight in boxing over the last handful of years,” Kellerman said. “He’s assisting Turki in a personal capacity, not as a promoter.”

That is not what the Netflix release said. The announcement stated that Alalshikh’s The Ring and White “will collaborate to promote” the event. It is also not what White said on Sky Sports on Friday: “I’m sitting here promoting the fight right now. Who’s going to stop me?”

The distinction matters because Eddie Hearn’s position all week has been that Joshua’s contract bars White, Zuffa Boxing and TKO from promotional involvement. A friend assisting the financier in a personal capacity is not a promoter of record. It is the kind of language that gives both sides a way down.

Then came the post-fight press conference, and White did not sound like a man climbing anywhere.

“That guy is full of f***ing shit,” White said of Hearn. “I don’t know anyone who’s more full of f***ing shit than Eddie Hearn.”

Pressed again on the fight, he went further. “I’ve said it 150,000 times about my involvement. And here we are. I don’t know if the fight’s happening. I’m done. Eddie Hearn is full of f***ing shit. This thing’s a whole shitshow. I’m tired of it.”

He then tried to shut the questioning down. “I know what you’re doing. You have any other questions that are relevant to this evening?” At another point he asked the room: “How did we end up in this?”

That is the first time anyone with actual power over this event has said in their own voice that the fight might not happen. Every previous report of the bout being in peril came through sources, including The Ring’s Mike Coppinger, Sports Illustrated’s Chris Mannix and Dan Rafael.

Read the two together and the picture is a company building an exit while its chief executive detaches from the outcome. If the fight happens, the Kellerman framing lets everyone accept White’s presence without anyone admitting the release was wrong. If it collapses, White has already said he is done and tired of it.

Worth noting what White did not say. He never withdrew from the event, and he never addressed the substance of the contract. Being tired of the questions is not the same as stepping back.

Matchroom has not commented since Hearn’s remarks on Thursday. Neither has Sela, The Ring or Netflix. The press conference remains scheduled for Wednesday, September 30 in London.